leader or manager?
by Dr. Phil Brassfield | October 27, 2011
It has been said, “When it all is said and done, more gets said than done.” I guess this has been the frustration of millions of leaders since the first tribal chieftain held the first campfire council. It has been my experience that Leaders as a rule have plenty of vision. We love to dream. But learning to take a vision and manage the process toward its completion is something else. So it is all right to ask, even shout the question, “How in the world do you get a vision from the drawing board to the boardroom, and from there to the people who are going to be benefited by it?” The answer is found in the partnership that must be made between Leadership and Management.
Leadership can cast a vision, motivate, even inspire, but management must put the action, materials, and manpower into motion to produce the desired result. Leadership and management are not the same thing, and I think we have yet to understand that in ministry. Therefore, small ministries with big dreams seem to be the best that many can produce. In ministry today we often have truckloads of vision and spoonfuls of management skills. As a result, our impact is negligible at best and destructive at worst, leaving us with our leadership numbers in decline. Why? Because when a visionary leader fails to partner with people who possess management abilities, he quickly overheats and burns out as a result of the flaming passion for his vision and no mechanism by which to bring it to pass.
Leadership and Management…
While both leadership and management are executive functions, leadership is about where you are going, management is about how you get there; leadership is about progress, and management is about performance. We must have them both to achieve, and they must work together and not against each other. How? I’m glad you asked.
• A clear vision that answers the “why do you exist?” question.
• A mission that answers the “what are you going to do?” question.
• A strategic plan that answers the “how and when are you going to do it?” questions.
In business the vision of a company is a type of vehicle. It is a vehicle made up of supply and demand, leverage, margins, and materials combined to produce results, and ultimately upward movement in the bottom line. This nuts and bolts metaphor is a good analogy in most arenas, but not in ministry. There is a difference between getting the job done in the secular and getting the job done in the sacred. While I’m preaching, we must have management type people. We must train them with a ministry mindset and keep them filled with the Spirit. I don’t want to paint with too broad a brush here, but often management types bring with them their own set of challenges. Management people tend to be more analyst than leadership types. Therefore they tend to be fairly detail oriented, can be possessive, territorial, and lack the people skills needed to motivate the troops. That may be OK in manufacturing, but not in ministry. Let me explain.
For example, in businesses like manufacturing, if there is a problem with the leadership or with production, the assembly line or in sales, you can take the system apart, isolate the defective component and fix it. Then you can put it back together and get going again. But you can’t always do that in ministry. Why? Because when we talk about ministry we are really talking about the Body of Christ. In other words, it is a living thing. Everything relates to something else. I tell pastors all the time, ministry is more like medicine than business. We must always remember that when a doctor treats a patient he is well aware that everything he does affects something else. Treat one area and the other areas experience the pain, or even the side effects of the medication. And often while treating one illness we can create another.
In all, the relationship between visionary leadership and executive level management can be a challenging one because we see things through different lens. The first, progress (forward movement through change); the second, performance (systematic operations and maintenance of the status quo). It can be very difficult to be constantly moving into new territory while performing at a high level. But if both are committed to the vision and understand the real value that each brings to the team, balance can be achieved. When it happens it is a beautiful thing.
Coaching Tips For Leaders & Managers:
1. Share the vision and the passion for the goal! Focusing on the same goal helps, even if you see it from different perspectives.
2. Collaborate: consistent communication is the first priority in every effective and productive relationship.
3. Celebrate wins together, carefully highlighting the part each role played in the success.
4. Practice looking at goals and systems through the lens of the other team member’s perspectives. Understanding is critical to cooperation.
i think this is a great article. coming from a management position in the auto repair industry it was very important to have the same vision as my boss. now that im in the process and the beginning stages of my minstry here in bogota its very important that my "managers" behind me have the same visions and goals that i do.
Awesome article. I have seen 1st hand what happens when there isn't a balance in leadership and management, it can really take a toll on you. I've never really thought of the difference of the 2 until I read this article. This has opened my eyes to some of the issue we are dealing with in our lives at this very moment. Good stuff.
This was a great article. I am attending 7 Habits of Highly Effective People now at the Hospital. We are touching on some of the critical characteristics. If everybody involved from Leadership,Management and Front line workers are not aligned the vision is a waste. Also make sure that everyone is capable of performing in the roll the hold. Poor performers or people in the wrong roll can contribute to failure.
We all play an important role in the completion of a vision. Some people have a strong managment style, while others are more a visionary leader. These two different styles must come together and not be easily offended, because both groups are important. We must appreciate both groups of people and work together to get the final outcome.
This Blog is amazing. I have spent most of my life managing business for myself and for others. I wished I had read this about 25 years ago. Being on both sides of the fence has given me a perspective that only few get to experience. I can say first hand there is a difference in the roll plays that both sides brings to the table Neither side is more important then the other and it requires the talents of both sides to complete the overall mission.
I'm going to say that was a very" management" directed article. It has " nuts and bolts" but carries the "vision" of the completeness of the process. I completely agree that far too often the dreams don't happen because the visionary rests of the vision and doesn't drill down and put people in place to get the job done. Also, the people in place to fulfill the vision are permanent members of the team, so it's not like we can fire people outright if the job is not happening. I've personally seen people who were both ineffective in their role and some who were effective but lack people skills or were too territorial about their duties to accept someone else in they area to assist. I want to be open to the acceptance of the vision as well as allowing others to help me in the vision I am trying to carry out.
What an awesome blog! This is so true! We need to work together & celebrate our wins together! We all have our place in the body of Christ and all are important!
If you have ever worked in retail of any kind you see first hand the difference between management and leadership. In a sense you need one to have another, you have those people who have great vision and leadership skills but have no management skills. A great leader usually has a great manager in order for the both to be successful. A great leader also alway has a succession plan, someone to take his place if he moves on or up the ladder. I have seen very few people who can go from great manager to great leader, espically if the original leader did not groom the manager.
It is so true! Working with different teams to perform certain tasks or reach certain goals - whether it be working with our youth team on a consistent weekly basis, or hammering things out with our fellow church staff and a rather large group of volunteers to put on a community event, we do have to understand the roles of both the leader and the manager. In order to get the results we're all shooting for, one cannot work without the other. Effective leadership and management really is vital...What I find interesting is that some are gifted with the incredible ability to both lead and manage, atleast to a degree. Like my husband, if I may brag for just a moment =), he can cast vision for something AND make it all happen, quickly and effectively. I think sometimes, we end up trying to do both - lead AND manage, when in reality, we probably need to either lead OR manage, and find the right person that shares the vision to come alongside us and help carry us to that goal. I may be great at dreaming up a vision and even casting it clearly. But chances are, I am going to need some help getting the job done - especially if it involves several different people and/or tasks to complete to reach our goal....I liked the medicine correlation! Great article - Good stuff.
With regard to Mike Mason’s comment on Steve Jobs’ spirituality…it would appear that Mr. Jobs was an Atheist who was influenced by Buddhist philosophy. Which leads me to think on his great accomplishments here on earth and what an impact he had on the world…and wonder...”For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?” Mark 8:36
What a very timely blog! This is where our (young) church is, at this time. We are 4 years old. We have an awesome, anointed, passionate Pastor who leads and guides us with wisdom and knowledge way beyond his years. We are moving our church into a (much) larger building within the next weeks. It is a huge undertaking. As the church administrator, I see these roles of visionary and managers/leaders with a birdseye view. There must be vision. There must be leaders and managers to get it moved, to help organize; get it up and running. And yes, the two are not the same. Isn’t it nice how the Body of Christ works together? The foot is not the hand; the ear is not the eye. I appreciate the word of caution regarding burn out of the visionary. Our Pastors have heavy burdens in sheparding the local flocks. I have often thought of churches as hospitals for sinners, so to liken the ministry to the medical field vs. the world of business is right on. Communication is a must. And practice forgiveness and be tolerant. We will step on each other’s toes occasionally and must learn to not be so easily offended. Our goal is to further the cause of Christ and take the Word to the four corners of the world. There is no room for ego. Since we are living in the end days, we have much work to do. Keep our eye on the goal, keep loving one another and keep working for Him…until He returns.
I never really thought of the difference between leadership and management. I always looked at the two as the same. Now that I see that their two separate things. To have completeness you need to have each each work together! It's really neat that I get to learn in depth knowledge with this internship!
This is a very interesting post! It has caused me to reflect on the past. I have never actually seperated the the two terms, leadership and mangement. The examples that have been present in my life until now, has been one person supposedly with the vision and the plan to implement it. In all these situations there was only a certain amount of growth then it would stall. The common denominator being individuals that did not delegate to those that God had placed under their leadership. This life living for God is one of faith and trust. I thank God for the place I find myself today! God has put me in a church that, to me, practices the word of God as intended. My pastor believes in cultivating individuals and using their strengths to help further his vision that God has given him. Placing trust in people as he continues to place his faith in God! What an awesome place and feeling! Finding that place where ones concern is not for self fulfillment but instead for other individuals and the kingdom of God! A true example of a leader having a vision but knowing that others may have the plan to help fullfil it. The concept of leadership vs management presented in this post has helped me place some perspective in my life. To know that ministry is not about who accomplishes the plan but that the plan is accomplished! The analogy of comparing ministry with the practice of medicine is phenomenal! Having the understanding that when working or treating one area another can be affected. I pray that God would give me the wisdom so as to pull the utmost out of each individual and that each one involved would achieve a sense of fullfilment having seen the plan achieved successfully. Knowing that they had a role in its success!
I totally agree with this article. I know that I am a management type person and I know my limitations concerning my people skills, but I also know my strengths, when a job needs done- and done right! I am so thankful that my Pastor is a leader and we work well together. He is great at modeling 'his' vision to me and I have learned how to 'work' within his vision to help the vision grow! This was a very interesting article and it made me stop and think about why our team at CLC works so well together. We have several leaders and also several management people.
There are so many leaders out here who have a vision that they are passionate about but they have no idea of how making it a reality. They don’t utilize the people that are put in their life to help carry out the vision. At the same time we need people to be able to cast vision because without vision people perish. I think you bring up a good point of how we need both groups of people to make it work. There are many parts of the body but there is still only one body and we need each other to carry out the plans that God has for us.
I think this is an awesome post. One thing that my pastor told me awhile back is that it is very important in the church to realize your weaknesses, so you can surround yourself with people to help you where you are not that good. My dad was an excellent leader, and manager. He was a plant supervisor (contractor) for the entire plant for Conoco Phillips. He was able to see things, and had the ability to make them happen. The one thing that he taught me about leadership is that being a leader is like pulling a chain. He always said that you can pull a chain anywhere, but when you try to push the chain, all it does is bunch up in a ball, and it all runs together. I have always tried to apply this logic to my life. If I have a vision, I am always the first one to take the steps until someone else can see the same thing, then we take them together and so on and so forth. One of the major things that I am hoping to get out of some of these classes is the foundation for management.
Amazing Blog Post!!! I've never really thought of the relationship between Leadership and Management. So many times we just view them as the same thing but its so much more than that. I now understand why so many visions and dreams and goals soon come to a halt in the Church. Even looking back i can see where leaders i was involved with would have a standard they wanted met or a goal they just knew they would achieve, and got everybody on board with it, as well! But, due to a lack of management within the body, were incapable of doing so. Great blog post Dr. Brassfield!
This blog speaks to where my church is at & where we are growing. We are in a season of large growth & I have seen my pastor make a very good transition from visionary to manager of that vision! I absolutely agree with Dr. Brassfield about leadership & management being two different things. I have been a good manager in my life but some times I've lacked vision. God is giving me an awesome vision for my future & is equipping me to fulfill it!
God's timing still amazes me sometimes! I have recently been appointed director of a ministry that I have been involved with for quite some time. This minstry has worked hard to develop a fantastic system that accomplishes the weekly objective in an efficient manner, but...I have A "vision" to implement changes to take this minstry from "getting the job done", to "fulfilling the great commision in the process" (thank you Clayton, beautifully put!) This ministry largely deals with the "unchurched" and we are often taken advantage of, and systems are occasionally abused. In an effort to be good stewards of our resources, often a spirit of authority tends to rule over a ministry mindset. I am excited and grateful for these tips and look forward to implementing them. I loved the analogy of "medicine vs. business" in regards to applying management methods to the "organism" of the body of Christ.
This is a great understanding, i love the analogy of Medicine vs. that of business. myself particularly being a visionary, i find myself weighted by having to be the manager. it is easier for me to cast the vision and show others what to do or just do it myself. managing people is a hard task. these goals are very good and i appreciate the tips. without constant communication and a servants heart and a united focus people in the ministry ultimately end up working against each other, creating more harm than good. it's always important to realize that in ministry the ultimate goal is not a sunday morning service or simply getting the job done, but fulfilling the great commission in the process. for anyone in management, you should always use our opportunity to manage as an opportunity to inspire, equip and train others in every part of life. Because the problem is usually solved within the people rather than the system. that's what jesus did when he said your sins are forgiven, to the man who needed to believe in God in a deeper way to receive love and healing for his physical body. Jesus was a visionary, but he was also a manager and having the authority to forgive sins, he knew just how to deal with the problem. taking care of the mans heart was step one, which opened the door to fix the visible problem and the man receive healing. Leaders should empower People. thats their main objective as i believe and even derive front this blog. they inspire and empower people to fulfill their destiny by casting vision and setting the goal, while communicating it effectively.
Very good article, I would like to add that with every person, depending on what skill sets we have and what personality types we are, we always have strengths and corresponding weakneses. I think to be effective we all must evaluate ourselves and be aware of our areas in which we need to improve. Also no matter what goals or vision we have, we must remember that its all about people, and we need to show caring, understanding, when using our management/leadership gifts. There is a saying that is appropriate for that "People dont care how much you know, until they know how much you care"
I liked the comment that we need to celebrate our wins together. Often the credit never gets beyond leadership. We all know a good leader leads by example, my experience with smaller church leaders is they cast a vision and expect other to accomplish it while they go to the golf course... a sure formula for failure. A successful leader works just as hard, often harder than those under them. The majority of their work done behind the scenes. As leaders in the body of Christ, we must remember the majority of our managers don't get a paycheck from the Church. Their pay is the satisfaction of accomplishing a goal, mission or vision for the Kingdom of God. That's where we must be careful to help set them up to succeed and not fail. (a common practice the world utilizes) If our vision isn't coming to pass in our time frame, unlike the worlds timing, we are under a different time line. God sees the end from the beginning. Also, a day is as a thousand years ...... It took Israel 40 years to go 240 miles. About 5 miles a year or 4 feet an hour on their journey to the promised land.
Couldn't agree more with your premise. I have been managing businesses and people for more than 20 years, and I have found that there is one particular characteristic that ditinguishes leaders from managers - VISION. Good managers tend to be detail oriented and think about things in the short term, while most leaders tend to be more creative and long-sighted in their view. As you stated, one of the problems in today's church is that many leaders have great ideas but lack the abilities or resources (personnel) to carry them out. The late Steve Jobs has gotten a lot of accolades for being a great leader, but I've heard nothing about any spiritual life he may have had. He was supposedly a great leader and an effective manager, but he spend his entire life chasing material rewards. This course is the first step in my personal journey to not spend my life the same way.